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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Sat 30 Jan 2016, 2:45 am

Thank you everyone for your replies. Yes I think the next step for me is to talk with a Bariatric Surgeon about options etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Fri 29 Jan 2016, 6:33 am

Hi Terry

Harry Frydenberg offers endobarrier in Melbourne.

All the best with your decision 

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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Fri 29 Jan 2016, 6:27 am

Hi Terry
Before I decided on the sleeve I was considering ENDOBarrier, which is not permanent and is much less invasive. However the cost was similar to the sleeve and as stated it is not permanent.
However it is supposedly VERY good for diabetics so that might be something you could look into.
When I was looking there was only one place in Sydney that did it and I think also Melbourne but that was about 2 years ago and it might have caught on more now.
Try googgling it and it might be something you might want to consider.


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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Fri 29 Jan 2016, 1:14 am

Hi Terry, 

There are other options (e.g band, balloon etc) that might be more suitable for you if you are concerned about how drastic (and irreversible) the sleeve is. It could be helpful to talk to a surgeon that does the different types and see what they said. I had quite an extensive discussion with my surgeon about which type of surgery to get (he does band, sleeve and bypass). They can be quite helpful - even if you decide none are right for you. 

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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Thu 28 Jan 2016, 8:33 am

Terry, IMO you should not just give up. Your quality of life would obviously be better if you could lose your 20k and keep it off. However, it doesn't sound to me like you are quite ready to have surgery yet. I would urge you to do some more research - read lots of posts here, google weight loss surgery and read widely. Perhaps go on YouTube and watch some videos.

When i was deciding if the surgery was right for me I read through the diary section here to see how other people coped and what problems they came up against. I also read blogs and watched loads of YouTube videos. 

It might be a good idea to make an appointment with a weight loss surgeon of you haven't already. Just making the appointment doesn't commit you to anything. A surgeon can go over all the different types of surgery and their pros and cons. He or she can take into account your medical conditions and give you professional advice, which, of course, none of us are qualified to do.

Keep coming back here and ask as many questions as you like - we're here to support you - but nothing can replace professional advice.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Wed 27 Jan 2016, 8:16 pm

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I had this vision of wasting away to a shadow, lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Wed 27 Jan 2016, 1:11 pm

Terry

After a period of time you can eat more than you could to start with. I have been sleeved for 16mths and I am now struggling to lose the last bit of weight to get to the 'normal' BMI so you don't necessarily just keep losing weight forever.

As the time passes from having the surgery you will be able to eat more than you can in the first few months.

Once you reach your goal weight then you might be able to either increase what you eat, or eat some things that have a higher calorie content.

For example you might change a snack from an apple to some nuts, still healthy but the nuts may have a higher calorie count.

Instead of low fat cheese you might eat full fat cheese. You might give yourself a treat each day to increase what you are taking in. You might allow yourself a beer ever night which you may not do when you are trying to lose the weight.

If the worry is that you won't be able to eat enough to maintain your goal weight, it shouldn't be because you can do that as per my comments above.

While you only have 20kgs to lose you might actually find that a surgeon might not think you a good candidate and if he does then maybe you will recognise the value of the surgery

You could lose the 10 or 20kgs using something like the Optifast and have your hernia fixed. but if you are certain it will happen again there is little point. 

Only you can make the decision as to whether the surgery is right for you.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Wed 27 Jan 2016, 11:51 am

I guess that is the difference. For me it is not about the diabetes. I have been diabetic for about 8 years and although as usual it has slowly gotten worse I am still controlling it by medication so it is not causing me any great dramas at this point. And when you consider my age and how many years I probably have left I could almost get away with not even treating it and I would die before bits had to start being cut off, lol. Until my GP mentioned this procedure a couple of weeks ago I hadn't even considered any type of procedure. My reason for looking at it is because of the parastomal hernia I have. That more than anything is impacting on my life the most and I want to get that fixed. But to do that I need to lose weight and keep it off forever and that is something I have never been able to do in 47 years so it is not going to magically happen now. And when you consider that I only need to lose no more than 20kgs total it seems to be  a lot of overkill to get that result especially when I see people talking about losing 60 or more kgs. If I lost that much I would be 50kgs and that is obviously crazy. Something that nobody has explained to me yet is what stops you from losing weight. If your eating drops so much that you lose weight then at some point you need to increase eating or you won't stop losing weight. With this operation how do you increase what you eat. It doesn't make sense to me so I am worried that I will end up not being able to eat enough to maintain a healthy weight once I have lost my 20kgs.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Wed 27 Jan 2016, 10:33 am

Hi Terry,

But it's not all about the weight loss (even though our signatures may suggest otherwise). In fact the weight loss wasn't even one of the main reasons why I decided to have this operation and the surgeon said that had I not been Type 2 diabetic, I would have failed the qualification criteria to have the procedure done, as my BMI was borderline.

Don't you want to have a chance to get rid of your Type 2 Diabetes and live a much healthier life? Isn't this a good enough reason to adjust your life-style to suit?

To be honest, I don't think it's such a drastic change to my life-style anyway, as I wasn't a big eater to start with and my meals were never that huge, what helped me gain weight is my diabetes and drinking, both of which I will hopefully keep under full control now after the operation.

I don't think you guys (yourself and your wife) are looking at this from all angles yet and I would be more than happy to answer any questions or doubts that you may have. I might be a newbie at this as I just got sleeved but I have done enough research and watched all online videos (even of the entire procedure) to form a correct opinion about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Wed 27 Jan 2016, 9:12 am

Hi, thanks for your response. I am not concerned about my age. The thing that is hard for me to get my head around is that I really only need to lose 20kgs. Bloody drastic step for that. Same old story of course. I can lose it but would never keep it off. And yes my wife is scared both for me and about the changes that would be imposed on our lives if I did this. I am still of the mind to just give up as previously stated as it all seems just too hard, and I am not dealing very well with the stress, frustration and depression that has developed since I started looking at this is,
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Tue 26 Jan 2016, 12:07 pm

Hi Terry
You have been given some good advice. If you are worried re your age I can tell you I was 57 when I had the sleeve done because I wanted to live longer than I might have otherwise.

Since the first appointment, the opti and the sleeve I have lost over 70kgs and it has made a difference in my life.

I did not have diabetes, but my older brother does and I  could see me heading that way. I did have sleep apnoea, which I don't have anymore and I hope to get off the blood pressure meds when I go back to see my GP.

This op is not to be undertaken lightly because it is a major surgery and does change your life in terms of what and how much you can eat, so you need to be sure that it is for you. But please don't just give up and go on eating the wrong things (yes I know easier said than done)

Stick around here and learn as much as you need to about the surgery, and ask any questions you have, and let us support you.

Does your wife not want you to have the surgery? Perhaps she is scared for you? Maybe if she reads the information here she might feel better about it.

Anyway whatever you decide is right for you, then it is right for you and only you can know that. Good luck.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Tue 26 Jan 2016, 10:30 am

Thank you Box of jewels and Rasputin for your advice.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Tue 26 Jan 2016, 10:25 am

Hi Terry,

I am (was) in the same BMI bracket but am 48.

My BMI was 36 when I decided to have the operation done one week ago and my research was very quick and decisive, as I only found out about this procedure in November last year.

The thing that sold me 100% is the high percentage of eliminating Type 2 Diabetes all together and that was enough reason for me to have this op done.

Only one week after the operation and after seeing my diabetes specialist I was told by him to stop all medication and if the normal blood sugar level continue for 3 months to come, he will be declaring me Diabetes Free!

Now that in my books beats everything else in my life, as I have never dreamt to be able to not only go back to my healthy weight but also do so knowing that I won't have diabetes complications in the future.

My friendly advice to you is to research it a bit more and look at the long term benefits rather than the shortcomings. You will find the benefits are countless.

Good luck to you whichever way you decided to go.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Tue 26 Jan 2016, 10:09 am

Gingerchicken is wise.  

It took me years to get to the point of accepting the fact that I couldn't do it by myself, and coming to terms with the huge step of having a sleeve.  Some do that quickly....I did not.  Even when I made the decision, I still took another 15 months to actually do it!

Many times I felt like I accepted my obese lot in life.  I had a good life pre surgery.  I worried so much about the op making life worse.  It hasn't though.  It's ramped up my life in so many good ways.  I'm doing things now I never, ever dreamed I could do. 

And, I'm no longer requiring any blood pressure tablets.  If anything....it's a bit on the low side, and I have to be careful not to stand up to quick!

Take your time.  It might not be the thing for you.  But, just...take your time.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Tue 26 Jan 2016, 9:54 am

Thank you for your positive response. I appreciate your comments and I guess I am just letting the frustration get to me. It has been a long 47 years of being overweight and fighting my weight for me and I am just fed up with it all. I know I don't have a lot of years left relatively speaking and I just can't get my head around what would need to be done for what is left of my life. I guess psychologically I am really not ready for this so your advice to take a step back might very well be the best advice. Anyway thank you again for your response.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Tue 26 Jan 2016, 8:57 am

Hi terry,

I'm sorry to read that things arent going too well for you at the moment. It is a very big decision and there are lots of factors to think about.

Some of us come to the decision to sleeve very quickly, others take longer and some not at all. I myself , have had a longer road to decide on it.... Two years. At 6 months of research, I had a hernia repaired and I did decide that I didn't think a sleeve was right for me...... And then during the next 18months I still kept it in the back of my mind. I came to the realisation that I had been dieting for the last 20years trying to lose the same kilos I lost and gained, I lost and gained over and over. I just couldn't do it by myself. I was sleeved last week.... And all is going well right now.

I think you'll find on this forum, that a vast majority of people don't regret the sleeve, however, not a great deal stick around long term here. I suppose they're getting on with a better life.

The decision to sleeve or not to has to be up to you, but please know we are all hear to help and support you which ever decision you make. I really hope you don't give up on your pursuit for good health...... Maybe, just take a break from thinking about sleeve surgery and know you can always come here to follow people's stories or ask some questions that you may have in the future. We all here struggle or have struggled with our weight and probably know what it's like to throw in the towel..... I have many times.... So please don't think you are alone.

Thinking of you

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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Tue 26 Jan 2016, 6:34 am

After much research, thought, stress, depression and fights with my wife I have decided that it is all too hard so I will just give up and eat what I want when I want for what is left of my life and to hell with it all.
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PostSubject: Re: Potential newbie    Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:18 am

Hi Terry, welcome from another newbie!  

I get the question you ask, it seems like a dramatic step, however I think you answered your own question.  The mindset to not continue the yo yo is a main factor for many to have the procedure.  I go in for mine in 3 days so I can't give you any insight except that with the liquid diet in pre op, I have dropped nearly 10kg so am looking forward to many more.  Am sure once you read through the posts and people's stories that you will make your own mind up but from what I have read, it can be as enlightening as you allow it.  Best of luck!
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PostSubject: Potential newbie    Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:08 am

Hi any and all. I am considering this gastric sleeve procedure but to tell you the truth the whole idea terrifies me. A little background first. I am 60 years old, 180 cms tall, weigh 110kgs with a BMI of approx 33-34. Why would I be looking at gastric sleeving you might be thinking? I am type 2 diabetic, I have had Bladder Cancer and have had bladder removed. Now I have a parastomal hernia which is getting progressively worse. The doctors won't operate to repair it unless I lose 10kgs. I know I do not need to go into all the various reasons why this is and issue but it is. Also I know that if I lose the 10kgs to have the op, I will just put it back on again and get the hernia again so the whole exercise is self defeating. My GP has suggested I look at Gastric Sleeving to solve the issue of my weight and the hernia operation and as a bonus it will fix my type 2 diabetes. My trouble now is that gastric sleeving seems a very drastic step to take for someone of my weight and reading how your life is in relation to food afterwards frankly it plain terrifies me. I don't know what I expect from anyone here but I guess I am just trying to work out if it is worth taking this step or not.
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